More Power to Mapmakers

Напишано од Guest, 12.01.2015 at 03:01

If your logic of ''letting the market take it's course'' EA should be bankrupt. But it's not, although it ignores the players, try to suck your wallet with DLC they are still getting loads of customers.
Therefore, mapmakers can get away with banning for no reason. And guess what guys, I got banned from Martell's RP for criticizing his map. My reason was called ''constant hostility'' but how is that valid?
Unless you people can prove the devs wanted mapmakers to have complete control over their maps, mods will keep on reviewing bans as they have not be criticized by the devs, althought they have been doing this from the beginning,
while this nonsense only popped out recently.

Напишано од Guest, 12.01.2015 at 10:04

It's like no one is realizing they are bound by rules

Game Behavior
1. Doing anything that interferes with the ability of other users to enjoy playing a game in accordance with its rules, or that materially increases the expense or difficulty of staff in maintaining the game for the enjoyment of all its users is not permitted.

This means you cannot ban someone for any reason you want, as you limit their ability to play even by the map's rules

Напишано од KYBL, 12.01.2015 at 10:35

Напишано од Guest, 12.01.2015 at 10:04

It's like no one is realizing they are bound by rules

Game Behavior
1. Doing anything that interferes with the ability of other users to enjoy playing a game in accordance with its rules, or that materially increases the expense or difficulty of staff in maintaining the game for the enjoyment of all its users is not permitted.

This means you cannot ban someone for any reason you want, as you limit their ability to play even by the map's rules

Yes, but them playing my maps reduced my ability to enjoy the game as I am pissed off that someone I don't like is enjoying my property. Also, moderators having to interfere with ban lists makes it harder for them to maintain the game, while it would be so much easier if they didn't have any work to do.

Напишано од Khal.eesi, 12.01.2015 at 15:19

All i have to say is you are all pedantic immature children and especially mapmakers.

Provide legit reason,add SS and then add to banlist.Simple as that.Grow the fuck up already.

Напишано од Guest, 12.01.2015 at 10:04

It's like no one is realizing they are bound by rules

Game Behavior
1. Doing anything that interferes with the ability of other users to enjoy playing a game in accordance with its rules, or that materially increases the expense or difficulty of staff in maintaining the game for the enjoyment of all its users is not permitted.

This means you cannot ban someone for any reason you want, as you limit their ability to play even by the map's rules

Напишано од Goblin, 12.01.2015 at 16:19

Playing on someone's map is not a "right" given to you by the admins or rules ...its a "privilege" given to you by the map maker.

Напишано од Camel, 12.01.2015 at 16:32

We let the atwar community vote on what should require for a ban to be put it place (ex.: screenshot, etc.)
Until then map makers should deserve to get the right to ban who they want as there is no rule stated by admins and/or mods and no rule set in stone.

Напишано од Guest, 12.01.2015 at 10:04

It's like no one is realizing they are bound by rules

Game Behavior
1. Doing anything that interferes with the ability of other users to enjoy playing a game in accordance with its rules, or that materially increases the expense or difficulty of staff in maintaining the game for the enjoyment of all its users is not permitted.

This means you cannot ban someone for any reason you want, as you limit their ability to play even by the map's rules

Напишано од Tundy, 12.01.2015 at 16:59

Напишано од Guest, 12.01.2015 at 10:04

It's like no one is realizing they are bound by rules

Game Behavior
1. Doing anything that interferes with the ability of other users to enjoy playing a game in accordance with its rules, or that materially increases the expense or difficulty of staff in maintaining the game for the enjoyment of all its users is not permitted.

This means you cannot ban someone for any reason you want, as you limit their ability to play even by the map's rules

I would have banned you too if you go and talk shit about my map. As the end, you are welcome to play other maps or make your own.

Напишано од Khal.eesi, 12.01.2015 at 15:19

All i have to say is you are all pedantic immature children and especially mapmakers.

Provide legit reason,add SS and then add to banlist.Simple as that.Grow the fuck up already.

Напишано од Khal.eesi, 12.01.2015 at 16:44

Good job goblin yeah give them support.the answer is no, the fucking little brats cant ban people for no reason and thats the end of it.

Напишано од Tundy, 12.01.2015 at 17:08

Напишано од Khal.eesi, 12.01.2015 at 15:19

All i have to say is you are all pedantic immature children and especially mapmakers.

Provide legit reason,add SS and then add to banlist.Simple as that.Grow the fuck up already.

What about you stop being a entitle cunt.

Its time for a grape analogy =D
I am promoting my Grape company by feeding you (free) grapes to your mouth (for free), while taking away bad grapes in order to make sure you only get good grapes and have a wonderful experience, yet you still want me to give you a screen shoot of every single grape i discard, and threat to take away my ability to remove grapes if i don't follow your instruction.

Напишано од Khal.eesi, 12.01.2015 at 15:19

All i have to say is you are all pedantic immature children and especially mapmakers.

Provide legit reason,add SS and then add to banlist.Simple as that.Grow the fuck up already.

Напишано од theFuehrer, 12.01.2015 at 18:06

I've come to realize these map makers making a big deal out of nothing truly are selfish immature children. Do you guys fail to realize none of this would be possible if the developers didn't create this game? Instead of bitching, be thankful they allow all of us to create something because of their HARD work. You complain how difficult it is to create a map, try creating atWar.

How would you feel if the developers decided to ban one of you guys simply because they didn't like you, but allowed other trolls to play their game. You would think it is unfair, right? If you want to ban someone because you don't like them simply ban them from your games but don't ban them from your entire map because of personal issues. If you want to ban someone for breaking the rules on your map ban, you have every right to ban that person. But, don't forget to provide evidence(Screenshots) to any mods, if questioned about the ban.

Also, your map does not belong to you completely. I would say it belongs to the community, but you just happen to be the creator. Yes, you created the map but who is giving you the tools to create the map? If a mod decided to ban you from atWar they could potentially keep your map and allow the public to use it. You would not be able to do a thing about it. There is no official contract the map belongs to you. It's really just an illusion some of you have created in your mind.

Get over it and let people enjoy the game, that's what most of us come here to do.

Напишано од theFuehrer, 12.01.2015 at 18:06

I've come to realize you map makers, the ones making a big deal out of nothing, truly are selfish immature children. Do you guys fail to realize none of this would be possible if the developers wouldn't have create this game? Instead of bitching, be thankful they allow all of us to create something because of their HARD work. You complain how difficult it is to create a map, try creating atWar.

Напишано од theFuehrer, 12.01.2015 at 18:06

How would you feel if the developers decided to ban one of you guys simply because they didn't like you, but allowed other trolls to play their game. You would think it is unfair, right? If you want to ban someone because you don't like them, simply ban them from your games but don't ban them from your entire map because of personal issues. If you want to ban someone for breaking the rules on your map ban, you have every right to ban that person. But, don't forget to provide evidence(Screenshots) to any mods, if questioned about the ban.

Напишано од theFuehrer, 12.01.2015 at 18:06

Also, your map does not belong to you completely. I would say it belongs to the community, but you just happen to be the creator. Yes, you created the map but who is giving you the tools to create the map? If a mod decided to ban you from atWar they could potentially keep your map and allow the public to use it. You would not be able to do a thing about it. There is no official contract the map belongs to you. It's really just an illusion some of you have created in your mind.

Напишано од theFuehrer, 12.01.2015 at 18:06

I've come to realize you map makers, the ones making a big deal out of nothing, truly are selfish immature children.

Напишано од theFuehrer, 12.01.2015 at 18:06

Do you guys fail to realize none of this would be possible if the developers wouldn't have create this game? Instead of bitching, be thankful they allow all of us to create something because of their HARD work. You complain how difficult it is to create a map, try creating atWar.

Напишано од theFuehrer, 12.01.2015 at 18:06

How would you feel if the developers decided to ban one of you guys simply because they didn't like you, but allowed other trolls to play their game. You would think it is unfair, right? If you want to ban someone because you don't like them, simply ban them from your games but don't ban them from your entire map because of personal issues. If you want to ban someone for breaking the rules on your map ban, you have every right to ban that person. But, don't forget to provide evidence(Screenshots) to any mods, if questioned about the ban.

Напишано од theFuehrer, 12.01.2015 at 18:06

Also, your map does not belong to you completely. I would say it belongs to the community, but you just happen to be the creator. Yes, you created the map but who is giving you the tools to create the map? If a mod decided to ban you from atWar they could potentially keep your map and allow the public to use it. You would not be able to do a thing about it. There is no official contract the map belongs to you. It's really just an illusion some of you have created in your mind.

Напишано од theFuehrer, 12.01.2015 at 18:06

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Напишано од Tundy, 11.01.2015 at 21:18

Напишано од Columna Durruti, 11.01.2015 at 20:29

Players were complaining about being banned from maps/scenarios.
Mods asked Mapmaker to review his banlist (from maps/scenarios NOT from hosted games).

Mods should mind their own business

Напишано од Columna Durruti, 11.01.2015 at 20:29

The deal was that bans from maps/scenarios should be grounded: give a reason for ban. Acceptable reasons are those that jeopardize the games, not really because I dislike a specific player.

By banning undesirable people from my maps, i make sure other players and hosts don't have to experience the negative influence that some people can create.

Напишано од Columna Durruti, 11.01.2015 at 20:29

I personally think differently. I think that maps are something like a private property of public interest and, thus, has to be protected in both ways: guaranteeing the right of the mapmaker over it but, on the other hand, the public access to it. The only reasons, in my opinion, to restrict the access to it, are the cases in which players do not allow the public enjoying of the games, e.g. leavers, wall-fuggers, trolls, etc.

Players are not entitle to play maps that didn't existed to begin with.
what stops me from deleting my maps? what stops me from hiding them? if i didn't wanted anybody to play them there is nothing you could do about it to stop me besides hacking my account or banning me before i do harm to the maps. But that is not the case, i want people to play my maps, why does it matter if i get rid of undesirable people? people that are banned from my maps are welcome to make their own or play somebodies else maps.

TLDR: mods should mind their own business, if map makers can't block undesirable people from playing their maps: they can always use collective punishment. The people that complain about being ban from a map can always contact the map maker and try to change his mind or make their own damn maps.

Напишано од Tundy, 11.01.2015 at 21:28

i can't possible have a screen shoot (of high quality, because apprently CD doesn't accept low quality and small size) for every single one of them.

Напишано од Columna Durruti, 12.01.2015 at 21:31

Напишано од Tundy, 11.01.2015 at 21:28

i can't possible have a screen shoot (of high quality, because apprently CD doesn't accept low quality and small size) for every single one of them.

Bah! Nothing to do with low or high quality SS. Just make proper SS that is a real evidence that player is hampering the enjoyment of one of your maps. Do you know how to do it? I guess you do. You are very active in forums, map-making, gaming, etc. Don't be lazy with the bans. That's all.

Напишано од Columna Durruti, 12.01.2015 at 21:26

Just a small reminder: banlists were implemented to avoid failed games because of leavers, trolls, wall-fuggers, etc. Not as a particular exercise of power for the sake of personal benefits. It is a tool to ensure that the community can enjoy scenarios and maps without disruption. Just ave a look at the forum posts that led to the implementation of this feature.
Mods were the first to discuss and support critically this tool. So don't tell me to mind my own business!
As Mod and Map-Maker I fully support the implementation of this feature to strengthen the community (as a whole and not the power of a few).

Напишано од Columna Durruti, 12.01.2015 at 21:26

Just a small reminder: banlists were implemented to avoid failed games because of leavers, trolls, wall-fuggers, etc.

Напишано од Columna Durruti, 12.01.2015 at 21:26

Not as a particular exercise of power for the sake of personal benefits.

Напишано од Columna Durruti, 12.01.2015 at 21:26

It is a tool to ensure that the community can enjoy scenarios and maps without disruption. Just ave a look at the forum posts that led to the implementation of this feature.
Mods were the first to discuss and support critically this tool. So don't tell me to mind my own business!

Напишано од Tundy, 12.01.2015 at 22:26

1.- Map makers are guilty until proven innocent (this is what mods are doing, which is bullshit, and this stance has already been proven to be completely wrong)

Напишано од Desu, 11.01.2015 at 22:09

A case of being unprepared.

Is it too much to just press prt sc on the keyboard, open paint, press ctrl-v, and save it after the game is finished? There's also the windows snipping tool built into all windows computers. And there's so many online screen shot programs that you can download and basically just press one button and it'll take and save for you, even upload for you. This is 2015.

Moderators mediate when there's a lot of complaints, we will look at both sides. Remember that map makers that add a name to their ban list are making a claim. The burden is on the map maker to substantiate said claim when refuted.

Напишано од Quantum027, 12.01.2015 at 21:57

The issue is that if mods either take down the system or change it to force map makers to go to mods to approve bans...

Напишано од Quantum027, 12.01.2015 at 21:57

This system will never be perfect but we need something and this is the best option out there.

Напишано од Tundy, 12.01.2015 at 22:26

Напишано од Columna Durruti, 12.01.2015 at 21:26

Just a small reminder: banlists were implemented to avoid failed games because of leavers, trolls, wall-fuggers, etc.

and that is what everybody uses them for

Напишано од Tundy, 12.01.2015 at 22:26

Напишано од Columna Durruti, 12.01.2015 at 21:26

Not as a particular exercise of power for the sake of personal benefits.

give me 1 example of a decent map maker doing this^

• Allyfag
  
• NULL
  
• Stinky
  
• You lack the skill to play my maps properly, sorry
  
• Pre-emptive ban for being in the reich
  
• Pre-emptive ban to prevent trolling
  
• My Finger slipped
  
• #Lol
  
• Tried to ally germany as france. Plays tempted rp.

Напишано од Tundy, 12.01.2015 at 22:26

Напишано од Columna Durruti, 12.01.2015 at 21:26

It is a tool to ensure that the community can enjoy scenarios and maps without disruption. Just ave a look at the forum posts that led to the implementation of this feature.
Mods were the first to discuss and support critically this tool. So don't tell me to mind my own business!

you are neither necessary or wanted to regularize ban lists, what you and other mods are doing is that every time somebody reports abuse you guys assume the map maker is abusing the feature until proven innocent, this is going to alienate all the map makers because with that mentally everybody will challenge all the bans, and some map makers haven't and will not give a flying fuck if somebody cries or not so they aren't going to provide you with evidence.

right now you are being as ambiguous as fucking possible, you haven't taken any stance besides talking like a diplomat and saying "everything is ok and the best decision will be made, plz move along and this never happen".

There is 3 stances about bans:

1.- Map makers are guilty until proven innocent (this is what mods are doing, which is bullshit, and this stance has already been proven to be completely wrong)
2.- Map makers own the custom maps, therefore they have the final decision of who plays it or not (most makers support this stance)
3.- Status quo: map maker bans can only be challenge in the special forum section dedicated to this matter (private reports don't count)