"Unfair" battle outcomes

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Објавено од Ivan, 27.01.2015 - 03:11

Time and time again I hear people complaining about unfair battle outcomes. "Surely my superior force should've defeated that puny army?", they say. Well, in most case, sure, but there are exceptions, and they are absolutely necessary.

First of all, if you're interested in battle mechanics, I can recommend you to put the slowest battle speed in your settings - this will show the actual rolls (damage) and help you understand the mechanics. Also, here's a FAQ battles entry. Basically, every unit normally has 7 HP (hit points) and a certain range of attack and defense rolls (depending on the situation). That range is always 1 to max attack/defense (which you can see on the units page / units menu in the game).

Now, if you're extremely unlucky, your unit will roll 1 several times in a row, only dealing 1 damage each time. It would take 8 hits just to take one enemy unit down. Every time you attack, an enemy unit fires back (using their defense stats). So, every time you will also be taking damage. Again, in an extreme situation, enemy can take down one unit per shot.

Things like that happen, and the randomness and unpredictability factor that they bring is extremely important to keep the gameplay exciting and being closer to the real world, where as you know, pure numbers don't always win and unpredictable outcomes happen all the time.

clovis1122 Epic Clan Објави: 9043 Од: Доминиканска Република	03.09.2015 - 08:27 clovis1122 Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 05:13 i was ds so my helis had 8 attack and this militia has only 3 def That's pretty normal. Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 05:13 the range of luck is about ±50%. In my opinion its to much! *Adds up the battle stacking bonus Вчитување... Вчитување...
Lemonade Strategy - None Објави: 1464 Од: Екваторска Гвинеја	03.09.2015 - 08:39 Lemonade Напишано од clovis1122, 03.09.2015 at 08:27 Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 05:13 i was ds so my helis had 8 attack and this militia has only 3 def That's pretty normal. Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 05:13 the range of luck is about ±50%. In my opinion its to much! *Adds up the battle stacking bonus so you tell me that its normal, that 39 attack cant beat 24 def? ---- "War is nothing but a continuation of politics with the admixture of other means." ― Carl von Clausewitz Вчитување... Вчитување...
clovis1122 Epic Clan Објави: 9043 Од: Доминиканска Република	03.09.2015 - 08:47 clovis1122 Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 08:39 so you tell me that its normal, that 39 attack cant beat 24 def? Yes, specially when you didn't took into account the Напишано од clovis1122, 03.09.2015 at 08:27 *Adds up the battle stacking bonus You can have 15 difference in att/def, but he also have 3 more troops than you. Depending on how this mechanic work you can be benefited or the neutrals. If your tests result in 50% then I assume neutrals got benefit. It would'be useful if you put the speed in 'very slow' (as Ivan said) so we can see the rolls there. Вчитување... Вчитување...
Stryko Корисникот е избришан	+1 03.09.2015 - 10:07 Stryko Корисникот е избришан You're just bad. Вчитување... Вчитување...
notserral Објави: 1447	+1 03.09.2015 - 10:55 notserral Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 08:39 so you tell me that its normal, that 39 attack cant beat 24 def? You're not beating def, you're beating HP ---- Напишано од Mahdi, 23.11.2013 at 20:30 I don't consider the phrase "massive fag" to be an insult. Mods did. Вчитување... Вчитување...
Lemonade Strategy - None Објави: 1464 Од: Екваторска Гвинеја	03.09.2015 - 11:01 Lemonade Напишано од notserral, 03.09.2015 at 10:55 Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 08:39 so you tell me that its normal, that 39 attack cant beat 24 def? You're not beating def, you're beating HP tell me why a group of 8 attack a 7 hp should be weaker than 4 def a 14 hp? ---- "War is nothing but a continuation of politics with the admixture of other means." ― Carl von Clausewitz Вчитување... Вчитување...
Steve Aoki ENIGMA Објави: 1455 Од: Србија	03.09.2015 - 12:09 Steve Aoki Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 11:01 Напишано од notserral, 03.09.2015 at 10:55 Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 08:39 so you tell me that its normal, that 39 attack cant beat 24 def? You're not beating def, you're beating HP tell me why a group of 8 attack a 7 hp should be weaker than 4 def a 14 hp? Idk man.. same as 15 pd infs cant beat 8 neutral infs. Cuzz thats so logical for you. Вчитување... Вчитување...
Lemonade Strategy - None Објави: 1464 Од: Екваторска Гвинеја	03.09.2015 - 12:14 Lemonade Напишано од Steve Aoki, 03.09.2015 at 12:09 Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 11:01 Напишано од notserral, 03.09.2015 at 10:55 Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 08:39 so you tell me that its normal, that 39 attack cant beat 24 def? You're not beating def, you're beating HP tell me why a group of 8 attack a 7 hp should be weaker than 4 def a 14 hp? Idk man.. same as 15 pd infs cant beat 8 neutral infs. Cuzz thats so logical for you. 15 pd inf have 60 attack and 8 inf have 54 def, so its easy possible that they would fail. ---- "War is nothing but a continuation of politics with the admixture of other means." ― Carl von Clausewitz Вчитување... Вчитување...
Steve Aoki ENIGMA Објави: 1455 Од: Србија	03.09.2015 - 12:52 Steve Aoki Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 12:14 Напишано од Steve Aoki, 03.09.2015 at 12:09 Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 11:01 Напишано од notserral, 03.09.2015 at 10:55 Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 08:39 so you tell me that its normal, that 39 attack cant beat 24 def? You're not beating def, you're beating HP tell me why a group of 8 attack a 7 hp should be weaker than 4 def a 14 hp? Idk man.. same as 15 pd infs cant beat 8 neutral infs. Cuzz thats so logical for you. 15 pd inf have 60 attack and 8 inf have 54 def, so its easy possible that they would fail. *48 def. Difference between mine and yours fight in attack/def is 3. Difference in hp? well, i had 15 units vs 8. You have 5 units vs 8. Вчитување... Вчитување...
Lemonade Strategy - None Објави: 1464 Од: Екваторска Гвинеја	03.09.2015 - 13:08 Lemonade Напишано од Steve Aoki, 03.09.2015 at 12:52 Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 12:14 Напишано од Steve Aoki, 03.09.2015 at 12:09 Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 11:01 Напишано од notserral, 03.09.2015 at 10:55 Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 08:39 so you tell me that its normal, that 39 attack cant beat 24 def? You're not beating def, you're beating HP tell me why a group of 8 attack a 7 hp should be weaker than 4 def a 14 hp? Idk man.. same as 15 pd infs cant beat 8 neutral infs. Cuzz thats so logical for you. 15 pd inf have 60 attack and 8 inf have 54 def, so its easy possible that they would fail. *48 def. Difference between mine and yours fight in attack/def is 3. Difference in hp? well, i had 15 units vs 8. You have 5 units vs 8. so neutral infs havnt the +1 city bonus? ---- "War is nothing but a continuation of politics with the admixture of other means." ― Carl von Clausewitz Вчитување... Вчитување...
notserral Објави: 1447	03.09.2015 - 13:14 notserral Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 11:01 tell me why a group of 8 attack a 7 hp should be weaker than 4 def a 14 hp? What? 8 militia = 56 HP ---- Напишано од Mahdi, 23.11.2013 at 20:30 I don't consider the phrase "massive fag" to be an insult. Mods did. Вчитување... Вчитување...
Lemonade Strategy - None Објави: 1464 Од: Екваторска Гвинеја	03.09.2015 - 13:40 Lemonade Напишано од notserral, 03.09.2015 at 13:14 Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 11:01 tell me why a group of 8 attack a 7 hp should be weaker than 4 def a 14 hp? What? 8 militia = 56 HP yes but still 4 def ---- "War is nothing but a continuation of politics with the admixture of other means." ― Carl von Clausewitz Вчитување... Вчитување...
notserral Објави: 1447	03.09.2015 - 13:44 notserral Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 13:40 Напишано од notserral, 03.09.2015 at 13:14 Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 11:01 tell me why a group of 8 attack a 7 hp should be weaker than 4 def a 14 hp? What? 8 militia = 56 HP yes but still 4 def 3 against helis, but still, you attacked with too few units. If you add one more heli you can probably beat 8 militia 90% of the time ---- Напишано од Mahdi, 23.11.2013 at 20:30 I don't consider the phrase "massive fag" to be an insult. Mods did. Вчитување... Вчитување...
Lemonade Strategy - None Објави: 1464 Од: Екваторска Гвинеја	03.09.2015 - 13:46 Lemonade Напишано од notserral, 03.09.2015 at 13:44 Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 13:40 Напишано од notserral, 03.09.2015 at 13:14 Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 11:01 tell me why a group of 8 attack a 7 hp should be weaker than 4 def a 14 hp? What? 8 militia = 56 HP yes but still 4 def 3 against helis, but still, you attacked with too few units. If you add one more heli you can probably beat 8 militia 90% of the time i had 5 attack units, how many should i send? 12?!? Bargain lost with 6 marines against 6 neutral militia The current battle system is broken and should be change! ---- "War is nothing but a continuation of politics with the admixture of other means." ― Carl von Clausewitz Вчитување... Вчитување...
Steve Aoki ENIGMA Објави: 1455 Од: Србија	03.09.2015 - 13:52 Steve Aoki Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 13:08 Напишано од Steve Aoki, 03.09.2015 at 12:52 Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 12:14 Напишано од Steve Aoki, 03.09.2015 at 12:09 Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 11:01 Напишано од notserral, 03.09.2015 at 10:55 Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 08:39 so you tell me that its normal, that 39 attack cant beat 24 def? You're not beating def, you're beating HP tell me why a group of 8 attack a 7 hp should be weaker than 4 def a 14 hp? Idk man.. same as 15 pd infs cant beat 8 neutral infs. Cuzz thats so logical for you. 15 pd inf have 60 attack and 8 inf have 54 def, so its easy possible that they would fail. *48 def. Difference between mine and yours fight in attack/def is 3. Difference in hp? well, i had 15 units vs 8. You have 5 units vs 8. so neutral infs havnt the +1 city bonus? no, neutrals are neutrals. They are just a units. No bonuses to them. Вчитување... Вчитување...
Lemonade Strategy - None Објави: 1464 Од: Екваторска Гвинеја	03.09.2015 - 13:55 Lemonade Напишано од Steve Aoki, 03.09.2015 at 13:52 Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 13:08 Напишано од Steve Aoki, 03.09.2015 at 12:52 Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 12:14 Напишано од Steve Aoki, 03.09.2015 at 12:09 Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 11:01 Напишано од notserral, 03.09.2015 at 10:55 Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 08:39 so you tell me that its normal, that 39 attack cant beat 24 def? You're not beating def, you're beating HP tell me why a group of 8 attack a 7 hp should be weaker than 4 def a 14 hp? Idk man.. same as 15 pd infs cant beat 8 neutral infs. Cuzz thats so logical for you. 15 pd inf have 60 attack and 8 inf have 54 def, so its easy possible that they would fail. *48 def. Difference between mine and yours fight in attack/def is 3. Difference in hp? well, i had 15 units vs 8. You have 5 units vs 8. so neutral infs havnt the +1 city bonus? no, neutrals are neutrals. They are just a units. No bonuses to them. so you agree with me that the current range of luck is too much ?!? ---- "War is nothing but a continuation of politics with the admixture of other means." ― Carl von Clausewitz Вчитување... Вчитување...
Tigro Корисникот е избришан	+1 03.09.2015 - 13:57 Tigro Корисникот е избришан Although there is obviously chances you get completely shitty rolls, I can confirm the game definitely has some different mechanics. For example sometimes an unit will get its HP reset instead of dying when it's the last one remaining (and some other conditions I don't know yet), clovis made a thread about it and you can easily confirm this by attacking a gen with a gen, given how the battles should normally work it should always be a draw but it doesn't happen, instead the defender always wins. Also there's stack bonus (confirmed by amok and easily reproduced, go make a custom and use big stacks against neutrals with infs, the neutrals will get a lot of 1 dmg rolls). I know I'm kinda late to the thread, sorry, but I had to say this. It'd be REALLY nice if admins gave more exact info on how the battles work, we would all appreciate it. Вчитување... Вчитување...
Steve Aoki ENIGMA Објави: 1455 Од: Србија	03.09.2015 - 14:04 Steve Aoki Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 13:55 Напишано од Steve Aoki, 03.09.2015 at 13:52 Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 13:08 Напишано од Steve Aoki, 03.09.2015 at 12:52 Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 12:14 Напишано од Steve Aoki, 03.09.2015 at 12:09 Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 11:01 Напишано од notserral, 03.09.2015 at 10:55 Напишано од Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 08:39 so you tell me that its normal, that 39 attack cant beat 24 def? You're not beating def, you're beating HP tell me why a group of 8 attack a 7 hp should be weaker than 4 def a 14 hp? Idk man.. same as 15 pd infs cant beat 8 neutral infs. Cuzz thats so logical for you. 15 pd inf have 60 attack and 8 inf have 54 def, so its easy possible that they would fail. *48 def. Difference between mine and yours fight in attack/def is 3. Difference in hp? well, i had 15 units vs 8. You have 5 units vs 8. so neutral infs havnt the +1 city bonus? no, neutrals are neutrals. They are just a units. No bonuses to them. so you agree with me that the current range of luck is too much ?!? no, i really like when i fail something that looks like free paris in cw and lose west cuzz of that. Ofc i do, i feel like most of the times rolls are... well, ok. Luck goes on both sides, but sometimes shit happens. And by shit i mean shit that shouldnt happend. At all. Ever. Add 1 unit tbs, small bugs and you aint gonna sleep peacifully at nights. Вчитување... Вчитување...
Eagle (Модератор) Објави: 1481 Од: Србија	03.09.2015 - 14:07 Eagle (Модератор) Наводници: Наводници: So you agree with me that the current range of luck is too much ?!? no, i really like when i fail something that looks like free paris in cw and lose west cuzz of that. Ofc i do, i feel like most of the times rolls are... well, ok. Luck goes on both sides, but sometimes shit happens. And by shit i mean shit that shouldnt happend. At all. Ever. Add 1 unit tbs, small bugs and you aint gonna sleep peacifully at nights. The game became like 2 players throw a dice, higher number wins. 70% of games today are won by pure luck, usually not involving any skill ---- Вчитување... Вчитување...
Lemonade Strategy - None Објави: 1464 Од: Екваторска Гвинеја	03.09.2015 - 15:01 Lemonade Наводници: Наводници: Напишано од Eagle, 03.09.2015 at 14:07 So you agree with me that the current range of luck is too much ?!? no, i really like when i fail something that looks like free paris in cw and lose west cuzz of that. Ofc i do, i feel like most of the times rolls are... well, ok. Luck goes on both sides, but sometimes shit happens. And by shit i mean shit that shouldnt happend. At all. Ever. Add 1 unit tbs, small bugs and you aint gonna sleep peacifully at nights. The game became like 2 players throw a dice, higher number wins. 70% of games today are won by pure luck, usually not involving any skill i agree with you and hope that they will decrease the random "luck" ---- "War is nothing but a continuation of politics with the admixture of other means." ― Carl von Clausewitz Вчитување... Вчитување...
bargain Објави: 233 Од: Џибути	03.09.2015 - 15:17 bargain I have a question. Let's say 2 tanks(each 5 hp) and 1 inf(8 hp) atack 1 inf(8hp). Tank deals 8 damage(atacking), infantry deals 7 damage(defending). Inf and tank dies and then who takes 2 damage? Another tank or inf ? Вчитување... Вчитување...
Stryko Корисникот е избришан	+1 03.09.2015 - 15:21 Stryko Корисникот е избришан Напишано од bargain, 03.09.2015 at 15:17 I have a question. Let's say 2 tanks(each 5 hp) and 1 inf(8 hp) atack 1 inf(8hp). Tank deals 8 damage(atacking), infantry deals 7 damage(defending). Inf and tank dies and then who takes 2 damage? Another tank or inf ? the tank, as it has higher attack points than infs Вчитување... Вчитување...
SyrianDevil Illyria Објави: 2332	19.11.2017 - 02:24 SyrianDevil Напишано од Eagle, 29.01.2015 at 04:23 Someone finally heard my cry! same ---- Our next Moments are Tomorrows Memories Вчитување... Вчитување...

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