Clarification on the rules/etiquette of Competitive play.

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Објавено од Permamuted, 06.10.2014 - 22:59

I'm just seeking clarification on an issue that annoyed me. I was playing a cw, i was france my opponent was uk. Turn 1 i circle walled my cap with 8 units with the intention to wall inside it turn 2 thus keeping my capital safe until turn 4. Overall taking 11 units.

after the turn ended i found the circle wall had been wf'd. the wall looked roughly as shown in the following screenshot and the red circle was the location of the wf, on french territory.

As we all know you are not meant to place units on your opponents territory turn 1. Or interfere with walls on their territory. Sometimes this is unavoidable in cases where countries are almost on top of each other. However the standard etiquette is usually to pretend that the walls are there and continue as normal.

When the wf happened to me in the cw i just thought whatever and played on. He probably will pretend the wall is there. Next turn i found a wf beside my cap breaking the inner wall i had made within the circlewall. I was pissed but i finished the cw. After however i criticised the other player for his rulebreak only to be laughed at and told to stop making up rules. Am i wrong in what i thought was always the standard? Is it ok to interfere with walls on another persons terrirtory and then pretend theyre not there? Should we applaud the other player for not capping me?

his argument was that the wf was on belgium and not france, it was on france's boarder and there are witnesses but whether he is right or wrong about the wfs location he still interfered with the wall on my territory.

Feel free to give your opinions, and if anyone knows where the rules about turn 1 territory invasion and wfs is stated, please post it. Or is it just an unofficial etiquette/standard some of us maintain?

Waffel Syndicate Објави: 6422 Од: Џибути	08.10.2014 - 05:53 Waffel Напишано од Goblin, 08.10.2014 at 04:32 Seriously ...discussion about rewalling and he goes and mentions me playing 2 minute turns like its in any way relevant or same as rewalling ...and then downgrades it to simple "minimise walls" crap. This is what im talking about ...shows no respect, constantly undermines my game like everyone else, but still demands respect from me. No can do buddy. You are a smart player Laochra ...but that doesnt make you a wise one. <3 wish i was croatian with thiz englizh ---- Напишано од Guest14502, 11.10.2014 at 09:44 Waffel for mod 2015 Вчитување... Вчитување...
Permamuted Illyria Објави: 6176 Од: Ирска	08.10.2014 - 09:42 Permamuted Напишано од Desu, 08.10.2014 at 01:06 Or we could deny allowing everything. We'll hold our opinions about wallglitching or "rewalling". It doesn't need to be a part of the, "aw package," either. We can agree to disagree here I suppose, I'd rather not us railing against eachother like you and Goblin (+others) have been. Anyway, your capital wall was wallfucked in that game by a unit placed on French land, and even though W4r was in the wrong in placing the unit on your land, he did not hit your capital which is pretty nice of him. He placed a wallfuck the next turn so you couldn't remake your capital wall. That's all that happened. It wouldn't be your capital wall if you had made a 3 man wall around your capital, that'd turn the outside wall into the object W4r needed to wallfuck. At that point I'd be against him hitting your capital wall, as the previous wall should have been there preventing that. But all he did was wallfuck your capital wall, like one would normally do if your wall bugged out and accidentally did not work. Reminder of the topic title: To address the topic title, it's obvious you should never place units inside another player's territory on the first turn. It is also obvious you should never wallfuck an enemy capital or city on the first turn. And of course you shouldn't be hitting someone's capital city in case his wall bugged out on the first turn. Same with their other cities, you shouldn't be hitting Hamburg if Germany clearly has it walled and the wall failed to connect on the first turn. My post should bring a clearer view to all who read this. Please refer to my earlier post on page 2 to see more of my explanation, which some here have chosen not to address and instead have chosen weaker arguments to target. referring to your part of the aw package comment ofc it doesnt but what are we going to/can we do about it? I don't rewall and i actively discourage others from doing so because it generally causes complaints. Its just not worth it. However i do not condemn others who do since ive no legitimate means to do so. I do laugh though at people like goblin who vehemently trash rewalling but accept team rewalling and double layer walls etc. It is a hairsplitting difference. Even though i disagree with the logic/etiquette bonker applied i have to accept it since once again i havent a legitimate complaint, even you just said how nice of w4r it was not to hit paris. I don't consider that nice i consider that basic and common courtesy, just like saying "sorry" if you bump into someone on the street. The rest of your post basically sums up the one thing the aw community agrees on(bar maybe zizou). Напишано од Mr_Own_U, 08.10.2014 at 01:14 When did I attack you man? Please for my sanity give me a screenshot in this thread where I attacked you. you supported w4rs lies then after you yourself were revealed as a liar you came to this thread with some comment about how "lao always has to be right" in an attempt to discredit me. You made some vague attempt at being indirect with "But again, opinions! (Not bashing you lao, just dropping a post in)". I find this laughable, its the equivalent of calling someone a dick and saying "just my opinion tho no offense!!" Напишано од Goblin, 08.10.2014 at 04:32 Seriously ...discussion about rewalling and he goes and mentions me playing 2 minute turns like its in any way relevant or same as rewalling ...and then downgrades it to simple "minimise walls" crap. This is what im talking about ...shows no respect, constantly undermines my game like everyone else, but still demands respect from me. No can do buddy. You are a smart player Laochra ...but that doesnt make you a wise one. goblin ive had a bad few days recently, i havent been my usual self, but you did annoy me hopping into one of my games the other day to call my walling bullshit and ask if i was afraid. I didnt undermine your game, i actually paraphrased words from your own mouth. You undermined my game and that of my clan, i defended myself. You reap what you sow. ---- Вчитување... Вчитување...
Silent One_deleted Објави: 407	08.10.2014 - 10:26 Silent One_deleted My initial inclination was to refrain from comment due to the experiences of past attempts to have logical discussions with the creator of this thread. However this is a community matter so I guess it should not hurt to at least try . I would first of all like to note that the author requests clarification, this does NOT mean agreement. Members of the community were invited to share. It seems that most reasonable persons are in agreement that the enemy's unit should not be in France. Bonker later presents a very plausible argument that Uk has a right to contest 'Benelux', which in some instances may have the same effect as the situation in question . I see no reason to disagree with this. A big wall with no inner wall is NOT the same as a big wall with an inner wall. I think this should be obvious, intention to wall next turn is NOT a wall. I think Desu more or less covers this. Now moving to deliberately wb hamburg or any other city t1 and attack on t2 is a totally different story. I could say more but I think I will just end here for now. ---- "When you connect to the silence within you, that is when you can make sense of the disturbance going on around you." ― Stephen Richards Вчитување... Вчитување...
joedtaxi Illyria Објави: 561 Од: Ирска	08.10.2014 - 10:43 joedtaxi Напишано од Silent One_deleted, 08.10.2014 at 10:26 A big wall with no inner wall is NOT the same as a big wall with an inner wall. how are they not the same..... Вчитување... Вчитување...
W4R_MaChINE Blue-Dragons Објави: 372 Од: USA	08.10.2014 - 10:43 W4R_MaChINE Напишано од Mr_Own_U, 08.10.2014 at 01:14 When did I attack you man? Please for my sanity give me a screenshot in this thread where I attacked you. you supported w4rs lies then after you yourself were revealed as a liar you came to this thread with some comment about how "lao always has to be right" in an attempt to discredit me. You made some vague attempt at being indirect with "But again, opinions! (Not bashing you lao, just dropping a post in)". I find this laughable, its the equivalent of calling someone a dick and saying "just my opinion tho no offense!!" What lies, the unit is clearly in Belgium Вчитување... Вчитување...
Goblin Stalins Martians Објави: 3290 Од: Хрватска	08.10.2014 - 10:51 Goblin Напишано од Permamuted, 08.10.2014 at 09:42 goblin ive had a bad few days recently, i havent been my usual self, but you did annoy me hopping into one of my games the other day to call my walling bullshit and ask if i was afraid. i apologize ...if anyone knows how that feels like, its me. it annoys me to see players of your skills and smarts, using rewalls to gain an advantage you dont need. ---- Вчитување... Вчитување...
Permamuted Illyria Објави: 6176 Од: Ирска	08.10.2014 - 10:53 Permamuted Напишано од Silent One_deleted, 08.10.2014 at 10:26 My initial inclination was to refrain from comment due to the experiences of past attempts to have logical discussions with the creator of this thread. However this is a community matter so I guess it should not hurt to at least try . I would first of all like to note that the author requests clarification, this does NOT mean agreement. Members of the community were invited to share. It seems that most reasonable persons are in agreement that the enemy's unit should not be in France. Bonker later presents a very plausible argument that Uk has a right to contest 'Benelux', which in some instances may have the same effect as the situation in question . I see no reason to disagree with this. A big wall with no inner wall is NOT the same as a big wall with an inner wall. I think this should be obvious, intention to wall next turn is NOT a wall. I think Desu more or less covers this. Now moving to deliberately wb hamburg or any other city t1 and attack on t2 is a totally different story. I could say more but I think I will just end here for now. your dislike of illyria usually influences your attempts at logic... as we have seen in previous posts, most recently notably skends tournament thread. I really dont understand why people are feeling the need to distinguish between intention to wall and the actual existence turn 1 of an inner wall. If i had made the inner wall turn 1 and he had broken it turn 2 then the outerwall would still have been ignored and that etiquette still breached. It is a conditional situation that has no real relevance... except perhaps as desu stated it was nice of paris not to cap me, well at least in his opinion, as silent so kindly pointed out we dont have to agree. Personally if there is any attempt at a cap wall i wont hit it turn 2, even if failed, to me that is also a common courtesy on aw... its not something i personally would commend someone for not doing... ---- Вчитување... Вчитување...
joedtaxi Illyria Објави: 561 Од: Ирска	08.10.2014 - 10:54 joedtaxi Напишано од W4R_MaChINE, 08.10.2014 at 10:43 Напишано од Mr_Own_U, 08.10.2014 at 01:14 When did I attack you man? Please for my sanity give me a screenshot in this thread where I attacked you. you supported w4rs lies then after you yourself were revealed as a liar you came to this thread with some comment about how "lao always has to be right" in an attempt to discredit me. You made some vague attempt at being indirect with "But again, opinions! (Not bashing you lao, just dropping a post in)". I find this laughable, its the equivalent of calling someone a dick and saying "just my opinion tho no offense!!" What lies, the unit is clearly in Belgium clearly in Belgium? Вчитување... Вчитување...
Tundy Salt Industries Објави: 5885	08.10.2014 - 10:54 Tundy This discussion is stupid, desu has already resolved the situation: W4r did put his unit in france, but lao's wall is considered a capital wall, therefore W4r had the right to wf paris. Вчитување... Вчитување...
W4R_MaChINE Blue-Dragons Објави: 372 Од: USA	08.10.2014 - 10:58 W4R_MaChINE Напишано од joedtaxi, 08.10.2014 at 10:54 Напишано од W4R_MaChINE, 08.10.2014 at 10:43 Напишано од Mr_Own_U, 08.10.2014 at 01:14 When did I attack you man? Please for my sanity give me a screenshot in this thread where I attacked you. you supported w4rs lies then after you yourself were revealed as a liar you came to this thread with some comment about how "lao always has to be right" in an attempt to discredit me. You made some vague attempt at being indirect with "But again, opinions! (Not bashing you lao, just dropping a post in)". I find this laughable, its the equivalent of calling someone a dick and saying "just my opinion tho no offense!!" What lies, the unit is clearly in Belgium clearly in Belgium? Yes? The unit isn't described by the actual circle, but rather the center of the circle. This is made clear when you make your move. It follows a path. you are showing a zoomed out image, to make the impression to others that the unit circle was crossing more into France then it really was Simple logic tells you, the center of the circle is the exact positioning of the unit. Follow the border of belgium, and boom. there it is Вчитување... Вчитување...
joedtaxi Illyria Објави: 561 Од: Ирска	08.10.2014 - 11:04 joedtaxi Напишано од W4R_MaChINE, 08.10.2014 at 10:58 Напишано од joedtaxi, 08.10.2014 at 10:54 Напишано од W4R_MaChINE, 08.10.2014 at 10:43 Напишано од Mr_Own_U, 08.10.2014 at 01:14 When did I attack you man? Please for my sanity give me a screenshot in this thread where I attacked you. you supported w4rs lies then after you yourself were revealed as a liar you came to this thread with some comment about how "lao always has to be right" in an attempt to discredit me. You made some vague attempt at being indirect with "But again, opinions! (Not bashing you lao, just dropping a post in)". I find this laughable, its the equivalent of calling someone a dick and saying "just my opinion tho no offense!!" What lies, the unit is clearly in Belgium clearly in Belgium? Yes? The unit isn't described by the actual circle, but rather the center of the circle. This is made clear when you make your move. It follows a path. you are showing a zoomed out image, to make the impression to others that the unit circle was crossing more into France then it really was Simple logic tells you, the center of the circle is the exact positioning of the unit. Follow the border of belgium, and boom. there it is your unit is in france. stop trying to justify your cunt move and accept you are wrong. Вчитување... Вчитување...
Khal.eesi Illyria Објави: 4213 Од: Израел	08.10.2014 - 11:04 Khal.eesi Напишано од W4R_MaChINE, 08.10.2014 at 10:58 you are showing a zoomed out image, to make the impression to others that the unit circle was crossing more into France then it really was ---- Вчитување... Вчитување...
W4R_MaChINE Blue-Dragons Објави: 372 Од: USA	08.10.2014 - 11:07 W4R_MaChINE Напишано од joedtaxi, 08.10.2014 at 11:04 Напишано од W4R_MaChINE, 08.10.2014 at 10:58 Напишано од joedtaxi, 08.10.2014 at 10:54 Напишано од W4R_MaChINE, 08.10.2014 at 10:43 Напишано од Mr_Own_U, 08.10.2014 at 01:14 When did I attack you man? Please for my sanity give me a screenshot in this thread where I attacked you. you supported w4rs lies then after you yourself were revealed as a liar you came to this thread with some comment about how "lao always has to be right" in an attempt to discredit me. You made some vague attempt at being indirect with "But again, opinions! (Not bashing you lao, just dropping a post in)". I find this laughable, its the equivalent of calling someone a dick and saying "just my opinion tho no offense!!" What lies, the unit is clearly in Belgium clearly in Belgium? Yes? The unit isn't described by the actual circle, but rather the center of the circle. This is made clear when you make your move. It follows a path. you are showing a zoomed out image, to make the impression to others that the unit circle was crossing more into France then it really was Simple logic tells you, the center of the circle is the exact positioning of the unit. Follow the border of belgium, and boom. there it is your unit is in france. stop trying to justify your cunt move and accept you are wrong. Why accept I'm wrong? I just gave you concrete evidence of me being correct! Hah! I messaged Ivan/Amok, we will see if my justification is correct to them. Вчитување... Вчитување...
joedtaxi Illyria Објави: 561 Од: Ирска	08.10.2014 - 11:09 joedtaxi Напишано од W4R_MaChINE, 08.10.2014 at 11:07 Напишано од joedtaxi, 08.10.2014 at 11:04 Напишано од W4R_MaChINE, 08.10.2014 at 10:58 Напишано од joedtaxi, 08.10.2014 at 10:54 Напишано од W4R_MaChINE, 08.10.2014 at 10:43 Напишано од Mr_Own_U, 08.10.2014 at 01:14 When did I attack you man? Please for my sanity give me a screenshot in this thread where I attacked you. you supported w4rs lies then after you yourself were revealed as a liar you came to this thread with some comment about how "lao always has to be right" in an attempt to discredit me. You made some vague attempt at being indirect with "But again, opinions! (Not bashing you lao, just dropping a post in)". I find this laughable, its the equivalent of calling someone a dick and saying "just my opinion tho no offense!!" What lies, the unit is clearly in Belgium clearly in Belgium? Yes? The unit isn't described by the actual circle, but rather the center of the circle. This is made clear when you make your move. It follows a path. you are showing a zoomed out image, to make the impression to others that the unit circle was crossing more into France then it really was Simple logic tells you, the center of the circle is the exact positioning of the unit. Follow the border of belgium, and boom. there it is your unit is in france. stop trying to justify your cunt move and accept you are wrong. Why accept I'm wrong? I just gave you concrete evidence of me being correct! Hah! I messaged Ivan/Amok, we will see if my justification is correct to them. concrete evidence ? are you blind mate the unit is clearly more in france than in belgium, everyone can see that so you're just making a fool out of yourself at this stage. Вчитување... Вчитување...
The Tactician ConstellationDivided Објави: 4108 Од: Египет	08.10.2014 - 11:15 The Tactician Guys this is getting no where... One side says it was in and the wall shoudve been considered there ( which it should of if there was a cap wall) and the other says the unit is in belguim and the wf is ok (which it isnt). This is turning into a matter of how each person interprets the picture and giving opinions trying to convince other opinions... Just give it a rest. ---- We are not the same - I am a Martian. We are not the same - I am a... divided constellation? Вчитување... Вчитување...
W4R_MaChINE Blue-Dragons Објави: 372 Од: USA	08.10.2014 - 11:15 W4R_MaChINE Напишано од joedtaxi, 08.10.2014 at 11:09 Напишано од W4R_MaChINE, 08.10.2014 at 11:07 Напишано од joedtaxi, 08.10.2014 at 11:04 Напишано од W4R_MaChINE, 08.10.2014 at 10:58 Напишано од joedtaxi, 08.10.2014 at 10:54 Напишано од W4R_MaChINE, 08.10.2014 at 10:43 Напишано од Mr_Own_U, 08.10.2014 at 01:14 When did I attack you man? Please for my sanity give me a screenshot in this thread where I attacked you. you supported w4rs lies then after you yourself were revealed as a liar you came to this thread with some comment about how "lao always has to be right" in an attempt to discredit me. You made some vague attempt at being indirect with "But again, opinions! (Not bashing you lao, just dropping a post in)". I find this laughable, its the equivalent of calling someone a dick and saying "just my opinion tho no offense!!" What lies, the unit is clearly in Belgium clearly in Belgium? Yes? The unit isn't described by the actual circle, but rather the center of the circle. This is made clear when you make your move. It follows a path. you are showing a zoomed out image, to make the impression to others that the unit circle was crossing more into France then it really was Simple logic tells you, the center of the circle is the exact positioning of the unit. Follow the border of belgium, and boom. there it is your unit is in france. stop trying to justify your cunt move and accept you are wrong. Why accept I'm wrong? I just gave you concrete evidence of me being correct! Hah! I messaged Ivan/Amok, we will see if my justification is correct to them. concrete evidence ? are you blind mate the unit is clearly more in france than in belgium, everyone can see that so you're just making a fool out of yourself at this stage. You aren't even following the Belgian border.. Вчитување... Вчитување...
Waffel Syndicate Објави: 6422 Од: Џибути	08.10.2014 - 11:17 Waffel Напишано од Khal.eesi, 08.10.2014 at 11:04 Напишано од W4R_MaChINE, 08.10.2014 at 10:58 you are showing a zoomed out image, to make the impression to others that the unit circle was crossing more into France then it really was this is whai yo are my boy <3 ---- Напишано од Guest14502, 11.10.2014 at 09:44 Waffel for mod 2015 Вчитување... Вчитување...
Permamuted Illyria Објави: 6176 Од: Ирска	08.10.2014 - 11:18 Permamuted Напишано од The Tactician, 08.10.2014 at 11:15 Guys this is getting no where... One side says it was in and the wall shoudve been considered there ( which it should of if there was a cap wall) and the other says the unit is in belguim and the wf is ok (which it isnt). This is turning into a matter of how each person interprets the picture and giving opinions trying to convince other opinions... Just give it a rest. lol ikr, i didnt even address that argument, it is splitting hairs taken to an extreme. nice gif khal btw. ---- Вчитување... Вчитување...
Waffel Syndicate Објави: 6422 Од: Џибути	08.10.2014 - 11:19 Waffel ---- Напишано од Guest14502, 11.10.2014 at 09:44 Waffel for mod 2015 Вчитување... Вчитување...
Waffel Syndicate Објави: 6422 Од: Џибути	08.10.2014 - 11:19 Waffel Напишано од Permamuted, 08.10.2014 at 11:18 Напишано од The Tactician, 08.10.2014 at 11:15 Guys this is getting no where... One side says it was in and the wall shoudve been considered there ( which it should of if there was a cap wall) and the other says the unit is in belguim and the wf is ok (which it isnt). This is turning into a matter of how each person interprets the picture and giving opinions trying to convince other opinions... Just give it a rest. lol ikr, i didnt even address that argument, it is splitting hairs taken to an extreme. nice gif khal btw. I love you <3 and nice signature u have! ---- Напишано од Guest14502, 11.10.2014 at 09:44 Waffel for mod 2015 Вчитување... Вчитување...
Khal.eesi Illyria Објави: 4213 Од: Израел	08.10.2014 - 11:31 Khal.eesi Thanks and yes i agree with tact..but ---- Вчитување... Вчитување...
Waffel Syndicate Објави: 6422 Од: Џибути	08.10.2014 - 11:35 Waffel Напишано од Khal.eesi, 08.10.2014 at 11:31 Thanks and yes i agree with tact..but ---- Напишано од Guest14502, 11.10.2014 at 09:44 Waffel for mod 2015 Вчитување... Вчитување...
Permamuted Illyria Објави: 6176 Од: Ирска	08.10.2014 - 11:35 Permamuted Напишано од Goblin, 08.10.2014 at 10:51 Напишано од Permamuted, 08.10.2014 at 09:42 goblin ive had a bad few days recently, i havent been my usual self, but you did annoy me hopping into one of my games the other day to call my walling bullshit and ask if i was afraid. i apologize ...if anyone knows how that feels like, its me. it annoys me to see players of your skills and smarts, using rewalls to gain an advantage you dont need. thats the thing though, i do feel i need this advantage, i remember testing an if uk rush with syrian, turn 4 he dropped 55 units onto my cap, something like a dozen if tanks in the mix, they cut through my 45 pd units like they were made of paper. Try as france expanding normally and getting 40 units back into pars turn 3, easy enough right? now bear in mind that uk can rush madrid turn 1, in a teamgame turk can rush rome, going full madrid and trying to defend is harder, especially if a clever uk knows how to place units and walls to prevent you getting back. france is a high risk country vs uk, it is disadvantaged by many factors. the other country in europe i would employ a double wall on is turk vs ukraine. ukraine is a very dangerous country, it has huge versatlity in strat choice and expansion possibilites, good ukraines are very difficult to beat if you dont expand normally, and if you fear a ukraine balkans rush you may not do this. i've encountered and used 1v1 pd ukraines that cap london turn 3 whilst getting 40 units back to kiev for 4 to pressure ankara and dissuade any rush attempts. the double wall on my cap gives me room to expand and deal with these kind of plays. You guys say these walls are unfair, but i disagree. If theyre used against you you should respond appropriately, you no longer have the psychological advantage of a turn 3 rush. bear in mind, if theyre using such walls monitor their troop stack positioning. chances are they tend to overexpand, you can do the same and hardly defend your cap. It's part of this strategey game and you need to take all this into consideration. ---- Вчитување... Вчитување...
Khal.eesi Illyria Објави: 4213 Од: Израел	08.10.2014 - 11:47 Khal.eesi Напишано од Waffel, 08.10.2014 at 11:35 Напишано од Khal.eesi, 08.10.2014 at 11:31 Thanks and yes i agree with tact..but ---- Вчитување... Вчитување...
Goblin Stalins Martians Објави: 3290 Од: Хрватска	08.10.2014 - 12:16 Goblin Напишано од Permamuted, 08.10.2014 at 11:35 france is a high risk country vs uk, it is disadvantaged by many factors. the other country in europe i would employ a double wall on is turk vs ukraine. ukraine is a very dangerous country So is germany vs ukraine and various other examples ...why is france any different? But i dont even agree that France has that much of disadvantage like germany has with Ukraine ...yes UK IF is tough on France, but its not bullet proof. On the other hand, Paris rewalling gives France a much much bigger advantage then UK might initialy had. Turkey and Ukraine ...when i remember how i use to put 100+ units in Gomel and still have enough in ankara i'l get back to this. ---- Вчитување... Вчитување...
Permamuted Illyria Објави: 6176 Од: Ирска	08.10.2014 - 12:37 Permamuted Напишано од Goblin, 08.10.2014 at 12:16 Напишано од Permamuted, 08.10.2014 at 11:35 france is a high risk country vs uk, it is disadvantaged by many factors. the other country in europe i would employ a double wall on is turk vs ukraine. ukraine is a very dangerous country So is germany vs ukraine and various other examples ...why is france any different? But i dont even agree that France has that much of disadvantage like germany has with Ukraine ...yes UK IF is tough on France, but its not bullet proof. On the other hand, Paris rewalling gives France a much much bigger advantage then UK might initialy had. Turkey and Ukraine ...when i remember how i use to put 100+ units in Gomel and still have enough in ankara i'l get back to this. france isnt different, you can double wall as germ vs ukraine, but thats less units expanding... and ukraine may rush your expansion... i wouldnt double wall in that situation. but yea uk isnt bullet proof, but i feel like this is a pointless debate, because there is so much uk and france can do in their first few turns that can decide the battle, a double wall isnt even that significant in the battle, and apparently double wall attempts are useless as france, since people can open the outerwall turn 1 citing belgiums proximity as an excuse. but i feel this is a battle of opinions, when i end up in a uk vs france game i think great ive an advantage here. and more often than not i win double wall or not. uks port locations are just so useful for surprise attacks. and fun fact, with the new strat changes if uk can reach berlin turn 1 with gen, and vice versa. as for turk vs ukraine, turk can only get 100 units into gomel after turn 5, assuming turk maintained its territory. the huge unit prod of turk is its power. but good ukraine players will attempt to shut down turks expansion and reduce its territory. ofc theres always the rush option, but if you can play a very good ukr youll match and surpass turk for unit count. Turk needs that double wall, trust me. ukr doesnt, ukr has to bring units down to its frontlines turn 3 and 4 to pressure turk anyway, whether theyre shoved into kiev or not makes no difference. Not to mention if you donate 11 units to a wall turn 1 youll inhibit ukraines expansion significantly. ---- Вчитување... Вчитување...
b0nker2 Stalins Martians Објави: 2398 Од: UK	08.10.2014 - 13:32 b0nker2 Please move away from 'where' the unit is, as I showed you it is actually somewhat irrelevant as there are other ways the wall could be broken. The actual discussion is on if, in the situation the wall is down, is it then appropriate to keep the wall down / attack. Half the thread is in deciding if the unit is on French lands baha Вчитување... Вчитување...
MacAttack! Корисникот е избришан	08.10.2014 - 16:50 MacAttack! Корисникот е избришан Напишано од W4R_MaChINE, 08.10.2014 at 10:58 Напишано од joedtaxi, 08.10.2014 at 10:54 Напишано од W4R_MaChINE, 08.10.2014 at 10:43 Напишано од Mr_Own_U, 08.10.2014 at 01:14 When did I attack you man? Please for my sanity give me a screenshot in this thread where I attacked you. you supported w4rs lies then after you yourself were revealed as a liar you came to this thread with some comment about how "lao always has to be right" in an attempt to discredit me. You made some vague attempt at being indirect with "But again, opinions! (Not bashing you lao, just dropping a post in)". I find this laughable, its the equivalent of calling someone a dick and saying "just my opinion tho no offense!!" What lies, the unit is clearly in Belgium clearly in Belgium? Yes? The unit isn't described by the actual circle, but rather the center of the circle. This is made clear when you make your move. It follows a path. you are showing a zoomed out image, to make the impression to others that the unit circle was crossing more into France then it really was Simple logic tells you, the center of the circle is the exact positioning of the unit. Follow the border of belgium, and boom. there it is Even if the image was not zoomed out the center of your unit would've still been inside France because most of the unit shown in the image was inside France. So it's true if the image wasn't zoomed in the unit portion in France and Belgium would both decrease at the same rate. i.e.) This image would result: And even assuming the center of your unit was in fact in Belgium using the "center of the unit wasn't technically inside" argument, then these would also technically be deemd legal during 3v3's or CW's: ....etc. Now I'm not saying you did it on purpose but clearly the fact is your unit was within France territory. I'm also not trying to crucify you or degrade you in anyway, as sometimes it does accidentally happen, but from a completely neutral/unbiased perspective the unit was inside France. Вчитување... Вчитување...
Eagle (Модератор) Објави: 1481 Од: Србија	08.10.2014 - 16:57 Eagle (Модератор) Напишано од Khal.eesi, 08.10.2014 at 11:47 Напишано од Waffel, 08.10.2014 at 11:35 Напишано од Khal.eesi, 08.10.2014 at 11:31 Thanks and yes i agree with tact..but <3 ---- Вчитување... Вчитување...
Acquiesce (Модератор) Illyria Објави: 3792	08.10.2014 - 17:19 Acquiesce (Модератор) War, please don't involve the admins this discussion. It's kind of embarassing... ---- The church is near, but the road is icy... the bar is far away, but I will walk carefully... Вчитување... Вчитување...

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