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23.08.2014 - 21:35
Btw did you voice that yourself
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24.08.2014 - 16:29
You can laugh, but I will have to live through what happens after UKIP takes power. I heard Canada's a nice place to live
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24.08.2014 - 16:42
y do people vote for it? xD
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24.08.2014 - 16:51
Mostly the leftover belief from the British Empire that British people are better than everyone else, and that it is uttterly unfair for anyone from Eastern Europe to be allowed to exist in Britain because they are not British. Added to this is resentment from people who resent getting less money than polish people working in the UK. The result: racism. Well done Britain
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24.08.2014 - 16:56
so, all they say is pretty much the same as what the briton in my polandball cartoon says?
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24.08.2014 - 17:01
Did you expect anything more? UKIP target the angry dissatisfied product of British society, not the idealists. Emotion always beats Rationality
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24.08.2014 - 17:06
i get what you mean but german populists at least try to bring up fake facts and (bad) plans for the future from what i've heard one of the members of ukip sayed that a fleed in uk lately was UKs punishment from god for gay marriage
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24.08.2014 - 23:51
Ukip= litterally westboro baptist church Link: http://www.godhatesfags.com <~~~~~domain name of Westboro baptist church
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25.08.2014 - 09:18
Holy shit. This strawmanning. Firstly, naturalisation of any citizen is important for long term social cohesion. If you have a large group of foreign people, segregating themselves, speaking their own language and practicing unique customs within the Nation they moved to, it will become a major problem long term. It causes tensions, crime, low trust and low charity. People become more individualistic and selfish, they have no community to bond people together and they participate less in society or group functions. This leads to higher suicide, less work ethic and less motivation. The problems grow. Secondly, yes, Polish immigration aswell as most Immigration is specifically designed to lower the value of low skilled Labour. It means the Working Class earn less while cost of living increases while services the government provides diminishes due to numbers it hasn't got the budget or the manpower to manage. The quality and availability of these services drastically drops. These are legitimate concerns for any citizen. Would Poland be content with taking in 1 million Brits? No, they wouldn't. Would they be content with Brits earning money in Poland and sending it back to Britain? No. Poles, as a people, as a tribe, can be of good value to British interests. With an Immigration policy which takes in those of good character & means of support. Also heavy naturalisation laws which will support the cohesive element a society needs for long term sustainability. Statistics and studies have shown that globalism and open borders with the EU have led to growing and poverty stricken working class and a dying Middle Class. The only ones who have benefited are the large corporate fatcats and bankers profiting off cheap labour. Yes, this is a major, major problem. This is part of the crisis. This doesn't even touch upon the issue of high skilled labour which is identical and one of the number one reasons why people with high skills cannot find employment. Im tired fo stupid white suburbanites, especially college kids and yuppies who do not research or give a damn about how their society functions or why it is failing. Well, some of us do, boy. So go and actually do some research on the topic before opening your stupid mouth on a topic you know nothing about. Go circlejerk with your uni students and flaunt around in your che guevara t shirts.
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25.08.2014 - 09:28
He says emotion beats rationality and then calls himself an idealist. Oh my. That doubelthink. I dislike UKIP because it is not the political organisation which truly addresses the crisis, it is an establishment controlled opposition much like the EDL to misdriect people away from the real solutions. But I can only imagine what sort of chilidish notions you hold for an ideal. Discussing 'fairness' as an Immigration Policy when the role of government is to address concerns and interests of the citizens it represents, not non citizens. Polish people already have a government which represents their interests in Poland. It isn't 'unfair' to demand assurances that those migrating will benefit the citizens of Britain. That is the role of British government. I bet you are anything from some utopianist Anarchist to a filthy Social Democrat who doesnt understand basic economics or human behaviour. Probably votes Green. Laughable. Heres a protip I give to most people. Create goals grounded in reality, not arbitrary goals which have no chance of fulfilment.
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25.08.2014 - 09:43
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25.08.2014 - 09:52
>targetting citizens dissatisfied with government >bad So Labour, Greens and Lib Dems don't target 'dissatisfied minorities' and open borders for more voters because the citizens refuse to vote for them? So when the citizens aren't satisfied and political parties seek to represent them... thats bad. But when Far Left groups open borders to gain new voters because the citizens dont vote for them, thats OK. Democratic representation is EVIL... but abandoning the citizenship for new citizens is TOTALLY OK. Targetting dissatisfied majority voters is BAD Targetting dissatisfied Minority voters is GOOD. The moral high grounds of the Left, represented right here.
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25.08.2014 - 11:14
That's pretty racist, man. Why are you so white?
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26.08.2014 - 13:05
Seriously? polish minority is your concern? i wish all minorities in the world were like the polish ones.
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26.08.2014 - 22:21
Dude, in the next few decades, there will be only 2 workers per retiree in europe. I don't know what you are going to do if you dont welcome some people from abroad. It's better to welcome people gradually and to include them in the community and the local culture over time with appropriated ressources.
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27.08.2014 - 08:16
That is your rebuttal to all of that accumulated info? We have a market that everyone wants to tap into. We could have a simple exclusive immigration policy which only accepts Europeans from Europe and the Commonwealth and we would be perfectly fine. We would have a good reputation, stable society and lots of wealth with good wages. Cost of living would be roughly the same considering how much money is spent on unproductive immigrants. Im tired of these arguments that believe there are no other options. As if we have to flood our nations NOW with AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE or we're defunct. We had 5 times less immigration, only coming from Europe pre 60s and we held the biggest Empire in the world. Immigration creates huge deficits. 2 wrkers per retiree is irrelevant if we have no workers, community and motivation among the population. Certainly not if the population segregates and one ethnic group works more than another. There is zero argument against what I have said. Small immigration from Europe and the commonwealth which naturlaises people would give far greater wealth and cultural increases than a mass pouring from the third world and Eastern Europe. No pouring. Just trickling. Naturalise. Simple stuff.
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29.08.2014 - 11:32
Yes, because Soviet Poland was totally just the greatest place on Earth, along with the USSR itself. No genocide, no famines, no problems! Your stubborn nature kills my hope for the human race a little bit more each time I come to the realization that you're not trolling. "But you're just an ignorant westerner!" Indeed, I'm not. Both sides caused so much bitter destruction in vain in this world, and supporting either is supporting the greed and fall of our own species.
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