More Power to Mapmakers

Напишано од Goblin, 20.01.2015 at 13:45

Напишано од Milton Friedman, 20.01.2015 at 13:43

Yes, it is not related to any single game, and therefore a personal reason for ban.

It seems like you understood what personal reasons were after all...

Yes it is related, its related to the game someone made and his map ...why dont you create a country and then talk shit against the map makers.

Напишано од Khal.eesi, 20.01.2015 at 13:39

In most states and countries, it is illegal to decline service to a customer based on his nationality, colour, appearance,sexual orientation and he is free to critisize your business as much as he wants.

Напишано од KYBL, 20.01.2015 at 09:30

Напишано од Khal.eesi, 19.01.2015 at 21:36

Напишано од Quantum027, 19.01.2015 at 15:50

I just banned Swash because Swash called me a fag on the forums, and that is against my map rules that I just created.

you are a fag and i have every right in the world to call you one.Its my right as a free person of atwar.and this right here is freedom of speech.Banning me for calling you a fag?nah ill be damned if i ever support your facist demands.

Someone doesn't understand freedom of speech. You have the right to not be silenced, but organizations haven he right to stop you from using their property if they don't like what you say, as long as you are not being forcefully censored.

Напишано од Goblin, 20.01.2015 at 13:53

Напишано од Milton Friedman, 20.01.2015 at 13:50

I already defined what I think is game related.

And who gave you the authority to define that and for us to accept your definition?

Напишано од Milton Friedman, 20.01.2015 at 14:07

You agreed to follow the rules when you signed up for atWar, which includes that mods are free to interpret, change and make new rules as they see fit.

Напишано од Goblin, 20.01.2015 at 14:55

Напишано од Milton Friedman, 20.01.2015 at 14:07

You agreed to follow the rules when you signed up for atWar, which includes that mods are free to interpret, change and make new rules as they see fit.

And this is the funniest thing you people keep repeating ...you do realize, this topic is about changing the rules and making admins make a change.


One side is saying "we want rules to change!!!!"
And you guys keep yelling "admins are the ones that change them!!!"

Laughing for 10 days now based on that.

Напишано од Milton Friedman, 20.01.2015 at 14:58

No, mapmakers like tunder and kentuckyballs claims it's their ''right'' to ban since it their property.
I have already said in another of my posts in this thread that if they just wanted to change rules, thats okay, but they are acting like its their right.

Go check my first reply to tunder.

Напишано од Goblin, 20.01.2015 at 15:03

Напишано од Milton Friedman, 20.01.2015 at 14:58

No, mapmakers like tunder and kentuckyballs claims it's their ''right'' to ban since it their property.
I have already said in another of my posts in this thread that if they just wanted to change rules, thats okay, but they are acting like its their right.

Go check my first reply to tunder.

It is their property ...we established that already in:

- nothing in terms of service is giving any copyright to protobytes over user created content
- freedom of deleting the map is assumption without a doubt that the players have full claim on their maps
- etc. etc. etc. ...hell even you guys admited that when you said "take your work elsewhere if you dont agree with the rules"

When they publish the map they have to obey admins rules:

- map makers here asking for the change of the rules
- you guys keep pointing and saying "its the admins, its their call"

Hilarious.

Напишано од Skittzophrenic, 20.01.2015 at 16:51

Напишано од Goblin, 20.01.2015 at 15:03

Напишано од Milton Friedman, 20.01.2015 at 14:58

No, mapmakers like tunder and kentuckyballs claims it's their ''right'' to ban since it their property.
I have already said in another of my posts in this thread that if they just wanted to change rules, thats okay, but they are acting like its their right.

Go check my first reply to tunder.

It is their property ...we established that already in:

- nothing in terms of service is giving any copyright to protobytes over user created content
- freedom of deleting the map is assumption without a doubt that the players have full claim on their maps
- etc. etc. etc. ...hell even you guys admited that when you said "take your work elsewhere if you dont agree with the rules"

When they publish the map they have to obey admins rules:

- map makers here asking for the change of the rules
- you guys keep pointing and saying "its the admins, its their call"

Hilarious.

I know, it's very funny.

Напишано од Goblin, 20.01.2015 at 15:03

Напишано од Milton Friedman, 20.01.2015 at 14:58

No, mapmakers like tunder and kentuckyballs claims it's their ''right'' to ban since it their property.
I have already said in another of my posts in this thread that if they just wanted to change rules, thats okay, but they are acting like its their right.

Go check my first reply to tunder.

It is their property ...we established that already in:

- nothing in terms of service is giving any copyright to protobytes over user created content
- freedom of deleting the map is assumption without a doubt that the players have full claim on their maps
- etc. etc. etc. ...hell even you guys admited that when you said "take your work elsewhere if you dont agree with the rules"

When they publish the map they have to obey admins rules:

- map makers here asking for the change of the rules
- you guys keep pointing and saying "its the admins, its their call"

Hilarious.

Напишано од b0nker2, 20.01.2015 at 17:49

face it amigos this strike does nothing to the mods/admins/your cause, it literally just shits on the ones who can do nothing about it, you know the people that enjoy your creations.

Напишано од b0nker2, 20.01.2015 at 17:49

If it was indeed the makers 'property' then the website would have no right to delete or remove the said property, as it stands they can just delete your map, delete your account etc etc and you would have no legal case for compensation or reimbursement even if premium.

Understand map makers (myself included) have no real power over the maps they have created, admins theoretically could clone any map and claim it as their own content since only the labour / time of the individual making the map is not their property. Equally nobody has copyrighted or patented their maps (remember that) but I assume the tools to create said content will be or at least licenced. Added to that storage to hold content, webspace to advertise content all belongs to them not us, face it amigos this strike does nothing to the mods/admins/your cause, it literally just shits on the ones who can do nothing about it, you know the people that enjoy your creations.

Напишано од Goblin, 20.01.2015 at 18:49

Напишано од b0nker2, 20.01.2015 at 17:49

Responded to a couple of false things you said in your post, but ...that would be just me repeating myself again.

Last sentence breaks my heart doe ...but its interesting how the map makers are considered guilty ones here and not the assholes who caused them to act.
Why is everyone attacking the guys who help this game grow and defend the trolls and fuckers who shit over them and then cry about their rights.

Напишано од b0nker2, 20.01.2015 at 19:02

The funny thing is, more people would support if the approach was different. This strike in my opinion is the same as me protesting austerity measures in rl by smashing up banks or government buildings, it is counter productive and if anything is making those who had a slimmer of effect on the direction of the game lose that. The strike is accomplishing everything they are against, shooting themselves in the foot.

Напишано од Aetius, 20.01.2015 at 19:26

Напишано од b0nker2, 20.01.2015 at 19:02

The funny thing is, more people would support if the approach was different. This strike in my opinion is the same as me protesting austerity measures in rl by smashing up banks or government buildings, it is counter productive and if anything is making those who had a slimmer of effect on the direction of the game lose that. The strike is accomplishing everything they are against, shooting themselves in the foot.

If you didn't notice we had a thread that asked for a long time before the strike. All it would of taken for mods is to be reasonable and say "Ya, that makes sense guys. Your maps, your rules. Not our responsibility. Support." Instead they say they want to remove banlist, and take bans into their control solely. At this point, only admins can lay down the law. Either way, unlike you, we will have a protest, even if futile, it shows we don't take it up the butt.

Напишано од b0nker2, 20.01.2015 at 20:02

Напишано од Aetius, 20.01.2015 at 19:26

Напишано од b0nker2, 20.01.2015 at 19:02

The funny thing is, more people would support if the approach was different. This strike in my opinion is the same as me protesting austerity measures in rl by smashing up banks or government buildings, it is counter productive and if anything is making those who had a slimmer of effect on the direction of the game lose that. The strike is accomplishing everything they are against, shooting themselves in the foot.

If you didn't notice we had a thread that asked for a long time before the strike. All it would of taken for mods is to be reasonable and say "Ya, that makes sense guys. Your maps, your rules. Not our responsibility. Support." Instead they say they want to remove banlist, and take bans into their control solely. At this point, only admins can lay down the law. Either way, unlike you, we will have a protest, even if futile, it shows we don't take it up the butt.

They way I see it it is you the strikers that are trying to fuck people in the butt, not the other way around. Funny really that the only people that you are fucking over are the people that have allowed you to have a voice in the first place, ie the people that play your maps, as I said you are shooting yourself's in the foot.

I am a mapmaker, I disagree with your view, therefore I am taking it up the butt from those big bad mods? Aetius and the strikers speak for all map-makers? No, no you don't, far from it, you speak for a few people under a self styled banner of 'mapmakers'

Please carry on, you are giving me more evidence with these statements to agree that nobody here is reasonable enough to manage their lists without intervention.

Напишано од b0nker2, 20.01.2015 at 20:02

Напишано од Aetius, 20.01.2015 at 19:26

Напишано од b0nker2, 20.01.2015 at 19:02

The funny thing is, more people would support if the approach was different. This strike in my opinion is the same as me protesting austerity measures in rl by smashing up banks or government buildings, it is counter productive and if anything is making those who had a slimmer of effect on the direction of the game lose that. The strike is accomplishing everything they are against, shooting themselves in the foot.

If you didn't notice we had a thread that asked for a long time before the strike. All it would of taken for mods is to be reasonable and say "Ya, that makes sense guys. Your maps, your rules. Not our responsibility. Support." Instead they say they want to remove banlist, and take bans into their control solely. At this point, only admins can lay down the law. Either way, unlike you, we will have a protest, even if futile, it shows we don't take it up the butt.

They way I see it it is you the strikers that are trying to fuck people in the butt, not the other way around. Funny really that the only people that you are fucking over are the people that have allowed you to have a voice in the first place, ie the people that play your maps, as I said you are shooting yourself's in the foot.

I am a mapmaker, I disagree with your view, therefore I am taking it up the butt from those big bad mods? Aetius and the strikers speak for all map-makers? No, no you don't, far from it, you speak for a few people under a self styled banner of 'mapmakers'

Please carry on, you are giving me more evidence with these statements to agree that nobody here is reasonable enough to manage their lists without intervention.

Напишано од Goblin, 20.01.2015 at 15:03

Напишано од Milton Friedman, 20.01.2015 at 14:58

No, mapmakers like tunder and kentuckyballs claims it's their ''right'' to ban since it their property.
I have already said in another of my posts in this thread that if they just wanted to change rules, thats okay, but they are acting like its their right.

Go check my first reply to tunder.

It is their property ...we established that already in:

- nothing in terms of service is giving any copyright to protobytes over user created content
- freedom of deleting the map is assumption without a doubt that the players have full claim on their maps
- etc. etc. etc. ...hell even you guys admited that when you said "take your work elsewhere if you dont agree with the rules"

When they publish the map they have to obey admins rules:

- map makers here asking for the change of the rules
- you guys keep pointing and saying "its the admins, its their call"

Hilarious.

Напишано од Milton Friedman, 21.01.2015 at 08:50

I suggest you read my post again, or at least learn better English.
Because nowhere in my in my post did I say that maps don't belong to mapmakers.

I have said multiple times that maps belong to mapmakers, and I haven't contradicted that.

What I have said is that mapmakers can SUGGEST changes to the rules, but they DON'T have a RIGHT to complete banlist control.

People like tunder acts like it is their RIGHT, but it is NOT A RIGHT.
Why?
Because it is hosted on atWar.

And once again, yes, they can suggest rule changes, but that is not what they are doing.

They are claiming it is their RIGHT.

I hope you understand what my post actually said now.

Напишано од Goblin, 21.01.2015 at 09:17

Nice insults about my english ... ..."or at least learn better english" ...i would form that sentence as "or at least learn English a little bit better".

It is their right, given to them by the admins, written black on white by the mods in the rule 23. ...no matter that the rule states they need to defend that right.

You and some others are arguing de facto and de jure state which is not on debate here ...what is on debate, is expansion of does rights that the map makers are asking for and the question of is it justified?

Напишано од b0nker2, 20.01.2015 at 20:02

They way I see it it is you the strikers that are trying to fuck people in the butt, not the other way around. Funny really that the only people that you are fucking over are the people that have allowed you to have a voice in the first place, ie the people that play your maps, as I said you are shooting yourself's in the foot.

I am a mapmaker, I disagree with your view, therefore I am taking it up the butt from those big bad mods? Aetius and the strikers speak for all map-makers? No, no you don't, far from it, you speak for a few people under a self styled banner of 'mapmakers'

Please carry on, you are giving me more evidence with these statements to agree that nobody here is reasonable enough to manage their lists without intervention.

Напишано од Aetius, 21.01.2015 at 09:51

Actually, common opinion of the community in the chats supports us

Напишано од Aetius, 21.01.2015 at 09:51

They trusted in the self-regulation of the map makers.

Напишано од notserral, 21.01.2015 at 10:30

You yourself claim to be stopping trolls and griefers, but how are these below trolls?

Напишано од clovis1122, 21.01.2015 at 11:11

Either way just look at this topic lol....



So much replies for the people that have seen this....

Напишано од notserral, 21.01.2015 at 11:28

Напишано од clovis1122, 21.01.2015 at 11:11

Either way just look at this topic lol....



So much replies for the people that have seen this....

Yeah, but the average number of players online is 500+, if the community was so behind it, it'd have much more views, right? Regardless, complete control over banning will probably never happen.

Напишано од Tundy, 21.01.2015 at 11:56

You know how many people have played GGG? 23,000.
Death of rome? 2400
King of the hill? 3600

The numbers don't lie, the people that are reporting are a minority.

Напишано од Goblin, 21.01.2015 at 12:21

Напишано од Tundy, 21.01.2015 at 11:56

You know how many people have played GGG? 23,000.
Death of rome? 2400
King of the hill? 3600

The numbers don't lie, the people that are reporting are a minority.

Sorry but ...how did you calculate this numbers thunder?